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mage767 · May 03, 2011, 08:55 AM // 08:55

Suppose one is already under the influence of one tonic (regular or everlasting).

If one wants to use a new tonic (of a different kind), then the form of the second tonic must override the form of the first tonic. A new timer must initiate for the 2nd tonic.

Why is this important? Due to the following reasons:

1. Most people own multiple tonics these days - this will allow them to swap quickly.

2. Some tonics have multiple forms - clicking until the desired form is obtained is better.

3. Having to rezone each time to change a form is cumbersome. Imagine zoning to d3, then back to d1 wastes time and requires unncessary loadings. Then not having the desired form of the tonic (see reason # 2), and repeating again.

Anti-abuse conditions:- The time between subsequent tonics must be at least one minute for the last used tonic to take hold. This will prevent abusers from going all nuts with repeated clicks.

Miss Dervissh · May 03, 2011, 12:02 PM // 12:02

How do you use it?
I've tried, and I can't reuse a tonic, or use another tonic when a form is active

_Aphotic_ · May 03, 2011, 01:32 PM // 13:32

If ANet wanted to make the "Party Animal" title track easier, maybe.
(Look at what they did to Drunkard/Survivor)
The "Anti-abuse conditions" you mention are similar to the afk'ing auto clicker, old-drunkard method of getting a title. If one is going to going to make the title pursuance easier, might as well go all out... (and make tonics spammable)

Of course, you NEVER once mentioned the title, so I'll presume you simply want to do this out of desirable forms. My response to this:
Stop being lazy. Learn to zone. Learn to minimize on processes so your computer loads faster.

In other news, you can already pop two tonics in an outpost if you click really fast (it's a common bug, but still manage to get 2x points).

Dewshine Wildclaw · May 03, 2011, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miss Dervissh

How do you use it?
I've tried, and I can't reuse a tonic, or use another tonic when a form is active

OP is making a suggestion to something that he wants to be implemented, so it is something not currently there, aka can't be done at this given time, perhaps never.

To OP although I sorta agree that it is being lazy I have to admit it is a kind of lazy I have been too so wont get you on that.
It is something by all means not needed, but I don't see it harm anyone either I guess.

Ok Dont Panic · May 03, 2011, 03:46 PM // 15:46

I guess for people that have slow computers having 20 stacks of tonics to burn up can be very difficult and undesirable if you are able to use tonics every minute (I'm aware you are suggesting to reuse the same type of tonic to get the different form [I would love to be able to choose my white rabbit 100% of the time) but a lot of people who stand around along time in kamadan or in outposts waiting for a team to form would benefit instead of spending hours at a time zoning between guildhalls

mage767 · May 03, 2011, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Aphotic_

If ANet wanted to make the "Party Animal" title track easier, maybe.
(Look at what they did to Drunkard/Survivor)
The "Anti-abuse conditions" you mention are similar to the afk'ing auto clicker, old-drunkard method of getting a title. If one is going to going to make the title pursuance easier, might as well go all out... (and make tonics spammable)

Of course, you NEVER once mentioned the title, so I'll presume you simply want to do this out of desirable forms. My response to this:
Stop being lazy. Learn to zone. Learn to minimize on processes so your computer loads faster. This is how I define the OP (You)

In other news, you can already pop two tonics in an outpost if you click really fast (it's a common bug, but still manage to get 2x points).

Before you jump into conclusions, let me point this out to you. I never mentioned about the party title that's because that is not my main suggestion. I can see where the confusion is coming from, so let me make it a bit more clear:

- Make all everlasting tonics spammable since they do not add to the party title anyway for all reasons stated in the first post!
- For regular tonics, maintain them as non-spammable unless ANET feels that that too should be reimplemented since all other titles (drunk, sweet) are spammable anyway.

My main aim was to make it more enjoyable to use multi-form EL tonics or multi EL tonics without having to zone and rezone. This is not about being lazy! It's about unnecessary inconvenience such as not being able to rezone to your district (D1 Kam/LA for example) even if you zone to a higher# district.

Finally, lemme tell you that I have maxed party on not one, not two, not three....but FOUR characters. Three of them are already GWAMMs. So don't give me your BS about being lazy....sankyoo!

Eragon Zarroc · May 03, 2011, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by mage767

Anti-abuse conditions:- The time between subsequent tonics must be at least one minute for the last used tonic to take hold. This will prevent abusers from going all nuts with repeated clicks.

it takes less than a minute to swap districts...

mage767 · May 03, 2011, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

it takes less than a minute to swap districts...

Don't take my word for it...the time can easily be reduced to 20/30 seconds, similar to how the current "/rank", or "zrank" commands work.

One minute is just a placeholder timer for others to think about.

Ok Dont Panic · May 03, 2011, 04:48 PM // 16:48

I agree with you it can be frustrating that you want X form like the white > brown rabbit in my example.
The reason i raised the point on regular tonics is on the basis that 1min per tonic isn't spammable. i've also maxed party on 4 chars drunkard on 2 nearly 3 (Prenerf) and 1 since. So I'm not qqing about the need to change the title I was merely saying if they were to change tonics why not change all tonics to allow different forms from Mysterious and Zaishen tonics and the re-application of other tonics. Yes this means that party points can be used up, but at the end of the day it is still faster to zone in and out to use up tonics. If your in a team and want to use a tonic and get one you dont like It would be annoying to keep leaving and joining the team. (just an example I know but at the end of the day your putting forward that about the EL tonics but I don't see why it shouldn't be applicable to all tonics.

But at the end of the day, this is a typical power trading QQ

I want to be in D1 and not have to change Dists every 50 mins

Spiritz · May 03, 2011, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Ok this is it from my view - at certain events we the general public ( and most of us have probs remembering so we do it again and again ) tend to end up with loads of tonics ( xmas especially ) and in our infinite wisdom ( or stupidity ) we end up stocking up on the buggers only to realise later we got 3 or 4 stacks of tonics which either takes years to use or we try and sell and everyone wants to sell and the wise ppl dont want to buy.
Normally some items id agree with needing to be spammable but these items dont exactly do jack for us - sweets in outpost ? - wow i can run fast and think im cool .
Booze - we get funny effects or we use wisely for certain skills.
Tonics involve animations and im sure as hell at times when in outpost we have players running round setting off fireworks , poppers , ghosts etc and after a few mins its tiresome and laggy.
Who wants to be in an outpost with 200 players spamming tonics and changing and probably causing lag.
Tonics were there to give us diff looks temporary and a lil bonus they give party points, but they are slow to use and im guessing the time limit was set on purpose.
Theres plenty of places that can be zoned in an out to spam tonics - even switchin guildhalls can do it - and sadly for those who suffer the "uber leet lazy ass-itus" they have to do some work for it.
Oh - if you think spamming an item is fun try doing drunk title in 1 GO from Zero to 10k - it kills your hand , shortens the life of your left mouse button greatly and bores the damn hell out of you - and yes im a sad sod who had nothing better to do and thought i`ll get them out of the way and never again am i going to go thru that ever again.

Araiia · May 04, 2011, 03:14 AM // 03:14

I feel your pain about spamming tonics for points, but for everlasting..

The whole point of some tonics having a less common "rare" form is that it's supposed to be rare. As if having an infinite use tonic wasn't enough.

I don't get the purpose of the anti-abuse condition you propose -- I could get multiple tonic attempts in under a minute simply by zoning. The only reason I can think of is if you have a trade message high up on the list in Kamadan and you want to show off how many different tonics you have without losing your pr0 spot on the list.

/not signed

ACWhammy · May 04, 2011, 03:47 AM // 03:47

Wow! Why are you all hating on the OPs suggestion? I think it's a great idea. It would make changing forms more enjoyable and fun. Especially since we all now have multiple tonics. If you are hanging out with your friends in district 1 and want to show all your tonics, then it wouldnt make sense to change districts.

If implementing this would create more server lag for some reason, then /notsigned. But other than that definitely!

/signed

AC

Dewshine Wildclaw · May 04, 2011, 01:21 PM // 13:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACWhammy

Wow! Why are you all hating on the OPs suggestion? I think it's a great idea. It would make changing forms more enjoyable and fun. Especially since we all now have multiple tonics. If you are hanging out with your friends in district 1 and want to show all your tonics, then it wouldnt make sense to change districts.

If implementing this would create more server lag for some reason, then /notsigned. But other than that definitely!

/signed

AC

We do? as for as I know I only have one.

Just so you know I was not hating on OP I am sorta neutral in this, part of me likes the idea but Im still a bit unsure to take a decision.
I can see the problem with lag there might be, and there may be a point with the some of the tonic skins being more rare.
I do admit I can see where this would be great (without having anything at all to do with trade as some says)